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Church Phone Call – Atheist Vs Preacher – Free will Vs Predestination
November 25, 2009 in Rerformed Theology by admin
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Church Phone Call – Atheist Vs Preacher – Free will Vs Predestination
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so when people say they want to kill the creator of all evil. they are all saying they want to smight god himself. XP stoopid christians. and did god know he was going to exist before he existed?
Make those priests sweat!!! They are all frauds. They are being paid money for trying to bring wishes. They are wish givers. That’s all.
If i believe or I don’t doesn’t really matter. What does however are my points. Just becasue you posted replys don’t make them good ones. Sir thank you for the enjoyable debate I leave it happy and I leave it as the winner. If you would like I can suggest a few books which will help explain my points.
Now, if you changed your mind, and now think that such a monstrous deity not only does not exist, but also SHOULD not exist (for the well being of mankind), I congratulate you!!!!
But please don´t tell me you didn´t believe in god untill now…
Yours are not even points, to begin with….they are weak arguments.
I am civil, I don´t know where your sesibility was touched, and I don´t care about it, since I am talking about god, not “you”.
And finally, my premise was NEVER that god existed….that´s hillarious! I was discussing the god you DID say you believe in (in previous comments you said “god bless you didn´t you?).
Why yes I do think my points beat yours. However what I pointed out and what you have just described are two different things. I’m not trying to argue on the sense that your conclusions are wrong on the basis that your logic is off I’m suggesting that your premises are wrong and thus your conclusion is wrong. Again do not place a God on me I have yet to say if I believe in one or not and please be civil.
I´ll put it really clear so you can understand it: YOUR god, in which you believe and I don´t, is a fictitional bully, with no morality OR respect for freedom, whatsoever.
Now you get me? Fine.
All you did was to avoid the topic of god´s lack of morality…..first , by saying he has not the same moral principles that we do, (which I agreed,so what´s the point?), and then, telling me that I couldn´t argue about his values if I didn´t believe in him (WTF?)…..and you think those arguments can beat me????
I went out to grab food, after waiting around 15 minutes for your response….besides, you didn´t provide anything to this discussion that I cóuldn´t respond to…..in fact, your responses were pretty bad, so I can´t guess why you think you won ANYTHING.
This is what people do when they have lost in a debate. Though I must admit it was fun.
This is pointless! I wasn´t talking about his existence only for the sake of argument! Of course he doesn´t exist, luckily for us.
For the record I never said that I believe in God. With that said you should understand that in being perfect does acts perfectly thus he does what he wants to do without mistake. If God wants to make an imperfect thing he does so. He perfectly makes an imperfect thing.
it is an analogy.
That is not what I am saying at all but if you are going to evaluate a “fictional character” the base of your argument shouldn’t presume he exists, as yours does.
Now I really must go. Bye. Thanks for the fun.
WTF? So if I don´t believe in a fiction character, I must not evaluate him?
Please, stop doing this, you´re making a fool of yourself……
As a point of order if you don’t think God exists then you should refrain from saying God is immoral. By saying this you are presuming he exists because if he didn’t then he couldn’t be immoral.
I´m done with you…you´re too blind to see.
May reason enlighten you.
You see people? THIS is what you get when you try to engage religious people!
You can´t be serious….comparing a ticket to an eternity of torments????
Just because there are penalties for your actions does not mean that you do not have free will. I can choose to run a red light but I still get a ticket for doing so. Giving the ticket in no way takes away the choice.
Again…if you are perfect THAT MEANS you can´t create imperfection…..you only do perfect things…..use logic!
He is simple creating a being which is different from him self and thus imperfect.
Oh, and by the way, I DO NOT think that if god exists, he functions on the same principals of morality that we do….that is the reason he is inmoral to me!
Oh and if you give me commandments, and if I don´t follow them I´ll go to hell (according to Jesus), that´s not respect of free will either.