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Why I’m Not a Calvinist
November 30, 2009 in John Calvin by admin
ideals that are flawed? Comfort? That’s a weak reason… As always opposing views comments and all sorts of chatter is welcome! Check out this vid on the subject as well: www.youtube.com … religion atheist atheism agnostic faith self search John Calvin Calvinism Calvinist TULIP predestination justice injustice unjust Adam Eve total depravity God Jesus Christian theist limited atonement Bible scriptures irresistible grace Protestant Augustine Catholic exegesis hermeneutics apologetics …
I’m a Calvinist, because Jesus taught Calvinism.
I’d be happy to discuss it with you.
Jesus said in John 6:44, “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.”
1. No one can get saved unless the Father draws him or her.
2. 100% of those that are drawn will be saved.
Your fundamental objections to Calvinism/Christianity are flawed.
Jesus said no one is good (Luke 18:19). If God were to let us into heave on the basis of goodness, we’d all be headed for hell.
You can test to see if you’re good by looking at the Ten Commandments. Lying, stealing, etc. are sins. We’ve broken God’s law, and if God is just, He must punish us.
1 thing I’d like to mention before I head to sleep.
the gospel of Jesus Christ is impossible without the doctrine of eternal security for multiple reasons.
I’ll explain some more after sleep if you are still interested in chatting.and then maybe I can find out why you are an atheist
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God Bless you~
but that’s besides the point.
yes, once you are born-again, it is impossible to get un-born again.
read John 3, and entire book of Romans, in particular Romans 3-10, and the book of 1 John to learn the doctrine of eternal security/salvation by faith alone.
Salvation is by faith alone, and once you get regenerated, Christ abides in you forever.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
did you used to belong to a Christian church?
works salvation teachers like to throw around the term ‘fall from grace’ as if they think it means ‘lose salvation’.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
they quote it from Galatians 5, you can go read that chapter if you want, even as an atheist you will be able to see how wrong it is.
So, then if a Christian is saved and falls for the lie, don’t they fall out of grace because it was the false teacher (or maybe even the agent in question) that brought the agent into the lie. Therefore, haven’t they lost their salvation?
but anyway, I’d say most calvinists are probably saved, but simply fell in to the lie of calvinism after learning about it for a couple years.thats the trend.
and yes, non-saved people are spiritually dead and can’t understand the things of God fully.
well I don’t believe it violates the “No True Scotsman” fallacy at all.
scripture clearly states:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
that’s a clear definition-
there must be a point where logic comes in and says this makes more sense than teaching another gospel. otherwise, it is impossible to have an absolute, and therefore everything would violate NTS fallacy.
Let me get this straight: anybody who preaches a false gospel is bound for hell, but the accusations fly back and forth among different folks that are Christians, then it is allowed for Christians to correct each other. The atheist cannot understand this he is spiritually dead and needs to be regenerated before he can even comment on such issues.
It still violates the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. If you accuse somebody of false gospel teaching, they are not a true Christian.
Not really, I have attended different churches that preach “the Jesus as relationship” line and they have differences in structure. If Christianity is just a relationship with Jesus, then there would be only one church in every town that exists. Where is my logic flawed?
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
People who aren’t saved are spiritually discerned.
you are born spiritually dead and must be regenerated.
yea Paul Washer teaches a false gospel, a damnable gospel known as works salvation(Lordship Salvation).
he isn’t the typical calvinist though.
Christianity is simply a relationship with Jesus Christ.
religious denominations mess a lot up, big time.
they are unbiblical.
its heresy because its a false gospel, not because we have a disagreement on non-salvation issues.
2Co 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Co 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
That’s the problem though…if you claim heresy, then you are commiting the “No True Scotsman” logical fallacy in my opinion. It’s that kind of behavior that makes people leave the church.
Why is it when an atheist calls a Christian on this, their opinion is disregarded?
You may want to watch Paul Washer’s sermon. Search out “Paul Washer Shocking Message”. Calvinism is still alive and well today.
The main point of the sermon is that if one is a Christian, then one must be in constant re-examination of their actions to ensure that they are in line with the Bible, or else it’s eternal damnation for them.
It seems to me that since the Calvinists have their own formula they follow, much like every other sect of Christianity.
And they get pissed at us.
oh and by the way, to further your study,
the P of TULIP isn’t exactly eternal security.
it should be preservation not persevearance
salvation is by faith alone, and therefore, once you get saved, no matter what you do, God can’t deny himself, because salvation isn’t based on our works.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
calvinism is heresy.
us Christians consider calvinism dumb, illogical, and heresy.
I’m glad atheists/agnostics are less blind than calvinists.
but you still need to get born again
Eeeee! Hi! Thanks for the comment. I’ll be making a few more videos soon… things have been crazy around my house so its been… er… difficult
Good work, looking forward to more
Good video. I also am troubled by the calvinist doctrine.
take care,
Steve
<3 Thank you!
I love you